World Weightlifting 1998 Volume 1
LaPointe: What relationship do you have with
weightlifting today?
Schemansky: I follow it. That’s about it. I was once told that “just because you were a great lifter doesn’t mean you’re a great coach.” Today I don’t really coach. That doesn’t mean I haven’t coached. We had a gym in Detroit, the Astro Club. We won the state championship so many times, I think it was ten, that they quit giving out the trophy. At one time, we had more guys pressing over 300 pounds than any other place in the US. It was a real international atmosphere. Guys came from Finland, Sweden and Australia just to lift in my club. Anyone who came through town with a respectable total wanted to lift at the Astro. It wasn’t a nice looking club like you see today for bodybuilding, but it had a real lifters’ feel to it. It was a lot like the York gym, without the holes in the floor. Anyone could stop by: professional wrestlers, boxers, track men. It was great. So yeah, I coached. We had a lot of good lifters in Detroit.
LaPointe: We saw you in Atlanta, but do you visit
other weightlifting events too?
Schemansky: I went to the Atlanta Olympics. There was
some great lifting there, but not from here (the US team.) I follow the sport
because I love it. But until my retirement two weeks ago I couldn’t run around
the world going to events. It would have been fun, but you’ve also got to make
a living.
LaPointe: You have four Olympic medals. Which of them
is the dearest?
Schemansky: Naturally, the gold one. I broke three
world records at the same time during that Olympics. It doesn’t get much better
than that.
LaPointe: What was the best competition of your lift
and what was the biggest disappointment during your career?
Schemansky: 1962. When I almost won the World
Championships at 38 years old. That was when Vlasov had the double jerk. What
was funny was the very next year, Foldi, one of the best lifters of all times,
did the same thing and it didn’t count. When he walked off the platform he said
“I’m not Vlasov.” I guess that competition in 1962 satisfied both questions.
You decide if I defeated Vlasov. The judges said I didn’t. That’s what really
counts, isn’t it? Another disappointment came at customs in Vienna, 1954. They
aske “How much money have you got?” The answer, “Nothing.” They couldn’t
believe it. Here I was, a gold medalist in weightlifting, a highly respected
sport in Europe, and I really didn’t have a cent in my pocket. At the 1954
World Championships some European officials gave their lifter an envelope. I
saw it was full of money. They did this at the public ceremony. It was a big
deal. They didn’t try to keep it secret. In the US, guys like Hoffman and York
Barbell helped out a lifter, but it certainly wasn’t public. It was understood
that overseas you could lift and make money at it. Not in the US. You had to
keep a job to live. Sports like lifting were a hobby that some of us did real
well at.
LaPointe: Who is, in your opinion, the brightest star
in the history of weightlifting?
Schemansky: That could be a two part question. The
lifters today are better than ever in history. Every year someone is breaking a
new record. There are some lifters today who have not even reached their
potential. Look at this new superheavy, Chemerkin. He’s great (after this
interview Chemerkin would continue to get super-heavier) But he is going to get
much better if he doesn’t have an injury. He’s a rising star. For all the
rising stars some will truly become great, but it depends on where the help
comes from…
Now former stars. Chuck Vinci for example. He’s on you don’t
hear about any more and he was a double gold medalist. He was great. Another
one was Baszanowski. The little guys don’t get enough credit. A perfect example
is when I went into a European bar with Bradford in fifty-two. The guys there
found out we were lifters, so they took bets on who would take the gold the
next day. They all decided it would be Bradford, because he was the bigger guy.
I think he weighed about 300 pounds and I was under two hundred at the time. I
won the gold.
Although I don’t think you should look at only the guys
lifting career to impress me. There is life after lifting. Guys lose focus on
the big picture. I was really impressed by Vardanian. Not only could he lift,
but I think the guy could play the piano. He didn’t even look like a lifter. He
was clearly on of the best of all time. A very impressive guy.
LaPointe: What do you think of the recent
developments in women’s lifting?
Schemansky: A pure joke, no offense to the ladies.
Don’t go compromising weight classes for the sake of it. The classes were just
changed a few years ago, now they changed them again. Really it’s a reduction
of the sport. Look at swimming where guys get medals in any of a dozen events.
Guys can get half a dozen medals in one Olympic Games. Then you have
weightlifting where you can get only one. I’ve always felt that lifters should
get one for each lift. I would have had maybe a dozen instead of just four.
It’s nice that women are in, but don’t compromise the sport any further, in any
way
LaPointe: How do you spend your time today?
Schemansky: I just retired, but until two weeks ago I
was working. I had fun lifting but I was making up for the time lost while
lifting. Financially, some of the lifting bums of today will regret later when
they have empty pockets.
LaPointe: What did (and does) weightlifting mean to
you?
Schemansky: I would like to see it on the upswing in
the US. I think about my interview with the Free Press. The reporter asked me
why I lifted weights. I said “Some guys like to play golf, some guys are just
nutty about their sport.” Of course the paper the next day claimed that
Schemansky says “All golfers are nutty.” That’s not what I meant, but you get
the idea. I was nutty about it and still follow it.
LaPointe: How any members are there in your family?
Do any of them lift weights?
Schemansky: No one really lifts weights. My son works
out a little, but he was actually a track athlete. All three of my daughters
were pretty good swimmers. Of course there wasn’t really women’s lifting then,
so who knows what they would have done. Girls can be athletes now.
LaPointe: What results do you expect in your
bodyweight category (Superheavyweight) at the next Olympic Games?
Schemansky: That’s funny. I lifted at so many
different bodyweights. By next year I won’t know what the weight classes are.
About ten or twelve years ago I proposed a system with nine classes and an 11
pound (5 kilo) difference between them, starting at 123 (56kg). But it was
ignored. World wide there are so many guys lifting, and doing a great job, you
never know when a new guy might pop up.
LaPointe: What is your advice to weightlifters of the
future?
Schemansky: If someone can’t guarantee you a future
income, forget lifting. That is, if you don’t have a job lined up, you are
missing out on part of life and you may regret it in the future. If you can
combine lifting into something that will help you make a living and a future,
keep it up. Don’t become a lifting bum. If you can work and lift, that’s great.
But, it’s hard to do that at today’s competitive level.
First pic of Norb smiling that I've ever seen. Same pic, those legs would rival Serge Redding's.
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DeleteMaybe not really a smiley-face kinda guy. Them legs! You got that right. A lotta meat and potatoes training and eating went into 'em I bet.
DeleteKinda strange that he didn't mention Tommy Kono when talking about former stars. Kono was the greatest lifter of that era.
ReplyDeleteCan't speak for the man, but I get the impression he wanted to advocate for the guys that didn't get very much recognition (like himself.) Kono was still very much a celebrated part of weightlifting in 97, and pretty involved in US weightlifting, so I can see Norb making it a point to shine some light on other guys from that time period. I was more surprised he mentioned a Polish lightweight (Baszanowski.)
DeleteInterviews are an interesting look at a person's views at that one moment in time. We pass away, and that one moment is still under the assumed microscope.
DeleteGreat point. It's a snapshot in time. This particular snapshot seemed to find Norb particularly gruff about the weight class changes. I just saw the IWF will be changing the classes (again.) This is seeming to be an Olympic quad tradition now. Always fun to see the "world records" set all over again every four years!
Delete"If someone can’t guarantee you a future income, forget lifting."
ReplyDeleteIn it's acknowledgement of gritty reality, I appreciate his advice. As with me and my own fifty-plus years of iron-pushing (mine being primarily for non-competitve, no-drugs bodybuilding), you other senior-moment long-timers realize the truth in that warning. It's the counterpoint which balances the "sacrifice-everything-and-never-stop-until-you-reach-the-top" advice I've witnessed too many young guys believe until they've wasted too many years of prime adulthood.
For most of us, champion-level ain't possible (despite what the positive-thinkers and "you-can-be-anything-you-want-if-you-try-hard-enough-ers" claim).
And, each of us gotta earn a living, especially if we want a wife and kids, and, if we want to eat and want something more out of life than sleeping inside a discarded cardboard box.
So, as my wise dad quipped to me when I was age seventeen and fanatical about training, "Remember -- you can't make a living trying to build 16" arms. Keep it as your hobby but not as your whole life."
Amen brother. Sounds like my bio. Might also explain why we still love to train.
DeleteI was out in my home gym this morning for two hours doing eight sets of doubles and triples on bench, deadlift and BB curls and 3x5 in bench squats. Because it's fun. The squats were the only thing using above bodyweight (Is it too late to get stronger?). I'm afraid that 16" arms are out of the question.
I'm 69 and figure I've got another 15 years at least. Hoping everyone else can do the same or better.
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DeleteYeah, at my 68, I expect I have about the same fifteen years left in life. My dad was in great overall shape mentally and physically until age 86, when aphasia struck him and he deteriorated rapidly then died at age 87 five years ago. My mom is 92, still in great mental and relatively good physical shape, still well enough to live alone in the house I grew up in. So, the longevity genes are in me.
Yep, ditto, a home gym. I estimate 80% of all my decades of workouts have been in either my original home gym in MA or this one in TN.
Lately, I've chuckled, "Well, Joe, after all those decades you finally collected all the piles of plates, racks, and equipment you wanted when you began, but, now, it's time to start divesting, cuz, your days of strength progression have been unavoidably and inevitably supplanted by the days of strength regression!"
But, yeah...iron is so integral to my life that I can't foresee not pushing it for as many years as I can.
About fifteen years ago, I fell through a roof on a contract job and, for a full week, couldn't walk, stand, sit, or lie without intense pain in a hip - - but, week two, I hobbled outdoors with crutches to my chinning bar and dipping bars for a couple bodyweight sets on each. Cripes, my six kids knew for sure I was seriously sick about five years ago when my wife told them, "Dad hasn't been able to work out for two weeks!"
We do what we can, don't we, brother? 'Cuz, we love it, insane as that may be. Keep at th' iron!