A photo in Health & Strength magazine touched a nerve in Reg Park's ego . . .
"I was thumbing through the magazine at a newsstand when suddenly I had to stop. Never before had a photograph so inspired me. The picture took me by surprise.

I decided I would emulate Vic Nicoletti."
But Reg Park would experience still another vision before actually getting down to doing something positive about his dream physique.
"I had gone for a swim at our local public baths," he said, "with bodybuilding the furthest thing from my mind. But suddenly there was this incredible body standing a few feet from me. I could not believe my eyes. I went up to the body and introduced myself.
"How did you build a body like that?" I asked this gentleman whose name was Dave Cohen. He told me he trained with a friend who owned a barbell set. His friend's mother allowed them free use of her front room. And when I asked if I could join them he said fine, I could come over whenever I fancied.
"You have to realize this guy had a neck and arms that measured 18 inches, and 18 inch calves too. Perhaps that might not mean all that much today, but believe me, thirty years ago the sight was almost miraculous, definitely inspirational.
"I'll never forget that first night we trained together. It was cold, even for the near arctic north of England. Below forty degrees, as I recall. It seemed to take forever before I found the address that Dave had so kindly supplied."
The gym itself offered no great comforts. By Park's personal account it was almost as cold as the biting winds outside. It comprised a bare room with a wooden floor on which stood a forbidding standard barbell and a pair of iron dumbbells. Nothing more.
Their first workout: standing barbell press, barbell curl, squats, and something called a pullover-and-press. For this last exercise the loaded barbell was placed on the floor. You lay on the floor flat on your back, your head nearest the barbell. Now you took a shoulder-width grip on the barbell, pulled it towards you in a sort of bent-arm pullover fashion, flipped it up somehow till it was in position at arms length over your prostrate body, and from there you did presses for your pectorals and deltoids.
"That was way before anyone thought about using a bench for pullovers and bench presses. Anyway, we did 3 sets of each exercise; 10 repetitions for the first set, 8 for the second, and 6 for the last set. I remember that I used 40 pounds for my presses and curls. Ridiculous weights, let me say."
Well, even though Reg Park strongly desired a body that looked like Dave Cohen's his enthusiasm for his workouts hardly matched his need for bigger muscles. In truth, had it not been for the hospitality of the lady whose front room served as a gym for the three young men, Reg may have called it quits after the first two training sessions that he endured with Cohen.
"Each time I would say to myself, this is not for me. But i would be back the next training day. I think I might well have quit altogether had it not been for the fact that our hostess made the best English tea I have ever tasted. After our workouts in the cold I could hardly wait to get her hot tea inside me. It seemed I drank gallons of it after our sessions."
Barely three months after meeting Dave Cohen at the local baths, Reg was called upon to do his stint in the army; national service in Singapore. There were no training facilities at Park's new temporary home but he maintained his interest in bodybuilding, thanks to the generosity of friends back in Leeds who sent him regular issues of muscle magazines.
"I remember they were sending me Your Physique, Muscle Power, and other magazines," Park recalled. "Of course, I had no weights out in Singapore but I compensated with free standing exercises. I was a physical training instructor, which meant I was doing exercises with different classes from 9 o'clock in the morning to 5 in the evening."
And then in 1948, with six months to go before his discharge from the army, Reg Park received news of a Mr. Universe contest that was to be staged in London at the time of the Olympic Games.
"I immediately wrote to my superiors beseeching them to hurry the discharge process so that I might be in time to catch the contest," Park recalled. "Here was my opportunity to see the greatest physiques in the world and I was not about to miss it. The big names of the day, Steve Reeves, Andre Drapp, and the legendary John Grimek would all be there."
Park did not miss the event. After four weeks at sea aboard a troop ship, there he was at last at the aforementioned Mr. Universe contest, still in uniform, altogether agog at the staged spectacle.
Always notoriously straightforward, Park would say later that he was not satisfied with the way the 1948 Mr. Universe finally turned out.
"Andre Drapp [above] was a Frenchman who had been a free-fighter," Park said. [I think he means French freedom fighter in WWII? He was also a pro wrestler and I'm goin' with both] "He weighed around 190 pounds, heavy for a French bodybuilder. In those days the ideal French male physique featured spectacular abdominals with little else. Drapp was built more along the lines of the American-style model; he was pretty thick and muscular. He did some of the classical poses the French have always been famous for and then left the stage to Steve Reeves.
"Now Reeves was even then already famous for his good looks. He appeared immaculately groomed, hair styled like a movie star's, with impeccable skin that was tanned a healthy orange tome. His reputation for watching what he ate was not undeserved. His skin spoke volumes for his internal condition. Reeves was already the epitome of male beauty.
Reeves in 1948, Russ Warner photo:
"But he offered just six or seven poses, and even though they were breathtaking the audience was nevertheless left with the feeling that a champion of Reeves' caliber should offer more.
"Then John Grimek . . .
. . . presented his own posing routine. Later, the three men were recalled on stage to show what they could do with their muscles. However, when Reeves took his turn the audience was treated to exactly the same eight poses that he had earlier presented to tumultuous applause. This time something was lacking in the reaction to his posing routine, enthusiastic as it still undoubtedly was.
"Of course, when Grimek came on and started off with his acrobatics and presses from the floor into handstands, that and his muscle control, well, the roof almost caved in from the ovation he received. After all, here was a man who weighed 200 pounds and he was moving around like a ballet dancer onstage, doing incredible stunts that might have stopped a much lighter bodybuilder. Grimek won the 1948 Mr. Universe, of course. But in my own book, Steve Reeves should have beaten him. When it came down to physical beauty, which was what I thought the Mr. Universe contest was all about, Reeves was way ahead of Grimek. But there you are, that is what mass hysteria can do at a bodybuilding contest. It's not all that different today, either."
Reg recalled that as he sat with a friend at the '48 Mr. Universe event he knew more than ever, in his essence, that his future and bodybuilding would be synonymous.
"I told my friend than that I would win the Mr. Universe title . . . even though I had just three months training experience behind me," he said.
When Reg returned to Leeds, however, his private decision to devote all of his time to bodybuilding, in preparation for the fulfillment of his Mr. Universe prophesy, underwent a subtle change. His education had been interrupted when he was called upon to do national service in Singapore. Now Park was thinking that it made no sense at all to devote all of his time to winning a title at the expense of his education. Finally, a dumb Mr. Universe was destined, as Park saw it back then, to be no winner at all. What was more, the British government was offering free education to all veterans, an opportunity that Park and his parents considered too good to pass up.
Reg decided to take a course in business administration. He would train for a career by day and in the evening he would devote time to training for the Mr. Universe contest.
Soon, Reg Park had built his own gym in his parent's back yard: two poles were driven into the ground, a bar placed across them for chinning exercises, then there were the barbell and the pair of dumbbells that he had acquired since returning home from overseas army duty, and the flat wood bench that he had built according to specifications obtained in a muscle magazine. Oh, and he set up a pulley machine that extended from his bedroom to the yard.
Over all of that Park set up a large tarpaulin, the better to keep out the snow and the rain. In truth, the cloth ceiling offered little protection against the harsh winter of 1948 and in desperation Reg took to training while attired in three thick sweatsuits, the better to withstand temperatures that sometimes sank to 30 degrees centigrade.
After a time he and his training partners moved to amore, I mean a more prestigious premises: A three-walled garage that had a roof and a concrete floor but no electricity. The young men trained most evenings my candlelight, quite romantic. Stop it.
In 1949, at a bodyweight of around 200 pounds (he had increased from 175 in seemingly no time at all!), Reg Park entered the Mr. North Britain contest.
In Britain, it has long been the practice to invite bodybuilders to national bodybuilding competitions only after they had won their area title. In other words, you cannot decide to enter the Mr. Britain contest until you have been declared winner of the Mr. East or West or North-East Britain title, unlike the fashion in the United States where John Doe from Utah can enter the Mr. America event with nothing more to his name than a vaulting ambition. Park would first have to win the Mr. North Britain (his area) title before being invited to compete in the Mr. Britain event. Only upon winning this last title would he then be invited to strut his stuff at the Mr. Universe contest.
It should also be said here that until five or six years ago the Mr. Universe contest that was staged by NABBA was no picayune YMCA basement affair. No, here was the most exciting bodybuilding event of the year, with invited contenders flying to London from all over Europe, the United Stated, and the Caribbean. There was glory merely in being invited to participate.
Yes, so Park decided to begin his journey to the bottom of bodybuilding's rainbow by entering the Mr. North Britain contest of 1949.
AND NOW . . . we can get to the training-related section:
For the first time in his bodybuilding life, Reg Park embarked on a TWICE A DAY, THREE TIMES A WEEK training program. Each Monday, Wednesday, and Friday morning he trained his lower body with high-repetition squats, hack lifts, and calf exercises. And in the evening he worked his upper body. [see the Rader System for more on this type of full body, thrice a week split].
"I devised a method of breathing during the squat movement that I believe had great effect on my rib cage and lungs. I found that when I breathed in the usual way, that is, one deep breath at the start of each rep, I soon lost count. I could not concentrate. I should say that I was doing 20 repetitions per set of squats.
"So I took to thinking of those squats in fives. At the start of the first five reps I would breathe in deeply just once, and then I'd breathe out on completion of each repetition, in the regular manner.
"At the start of the second five [this guy and his love of fives!], I breathed in twice before each squat.
"For the third five I took three inhalations . . . but for the final five I returned to breathing normally again, as I had done with my first five squats. That is, with each repetition I breathed in just once and out again on completion of the movement."
His upper body work on those three mornings consisted of heavy presses, curls, bench presses with both barbell and dumbbells, bentover barbell rows and so on, with poundages that allowed a maximum of 10 repetitions.
At this point, at no time did he use weights that he could not handle for at least 6 repetitions.
It should also be pointed out that while preparing for Mr. Britain he followed no other activity. He rested whenever he was away from the weights.
"I did not walk when I could ride, never stood up when I could sit or lie down. I existed during those three weeks strictly for my Mr. Britain training."
At Warrington, someone wanted to know what supplements he consumed during the Mr. Britain period. "Nothing at all," was the reply. And then Reg went on to say that in those days food was very scarce in England, and the government, noting this, had arranged for pregnant women to collect free of charge a vitamin C concentrate from clinics all over the country.
"It was a thick liquid, and many of the pregnant ladies, after they tasted it once, put the container away and forgot about the vitamin. So I went around to the homes of these ladies and asked for all the bottles of vitamin C that they had. In fact, I persuaded a great many of them to go on collecting bottles of the stuff from the clinics each week for my convenience. I would mix the vitamin C concentrate with glucose and honey and I would sip a quart of that during each workout. I think it did a lot for my energy and kept me buoyant after my training sessions."
The records show that Reg Park won the 1949 Mr. Britain with little difficulty. But contrary to legend, the trip Park took to the United States shortly afterwards was NOT sponsored by the Weider organization.
"This was a gift from my parents for winning the Mr. Britain title."
Reg enjoyed a great time in New York, even though the journey by the Queen Mary [a five or six day trip] had left him somewhat underweight and weak from the seasickness he had suffered from the moment he left the U.K. until his arrival in the U.S.A.
"I arrived in New York weighing around 205 pounds and was in no shape to shake up anyone."
It was not long before the new Mr. Britain was back to his old ways again. Soon he had resumed training at the John Terlazzo gym in N.Y.C. and with some of the leading names of American bodybuilding as training partners.
He went to California for a time and trained with Clancy Ross, from whom he learned a new exercise, the incline bench press . . . and loved it.
He joined the crowd at Muscle Beach in Venice and picked up a number of new training ideas with which he would later experiment.
1941 . . . '51 . . . '56
Note of little interest: The photo from 1956 on your right was taken while Reg Park was in Vancouver for posing thing. John McCallum, in his article titled "Training for Gaining" states: A bunch of us went down to the gym one time to watch Reg Park work out. He was in town doing a show." It's a good article, sure, and I wonder if that was when he saw Park train.
"Later, after winning Mr. Universe in London I began to read up on every aspect of physical training, books on physiology, anatomy and so on. And I recalled my school days when I was not very good at long distance running but strong in the sprints. Bearing this in mind I devised a training system that would not tax my endurance too heavily [OBVIOUSLY STEALING AND APPLYING THE WEIDER PRINCIPLES HERE!!!].
"I began training on a system of 5 sets of 5 repetitions for each exercise, but always using some pretty heavy poundages. I remember that I concentrated on presses behind the neck, bench presses, clean & presses, and two-arm dumbbell presses.
"My workouts lasted about 90 minutes, after which I felt completely depleted. In fact, on the one or two occasions that I experimented with longer workouts I found that my interest simply disappeared after about 90 minutes."
Park would begin his bench presses with a barbell that weighed 160 pounds. He would do 5 reps with that weight, 5 more with 180, and then the last three sets with 200, striving to get 5 repetitions for every set.
"I did not increase the training poundages until I could do the last 5 reps with reasonable ease, then for my next session I would increase all poundages by five pounds, so that now I would begin the presses with 165, go up to 185,and finish off the last three sets with 205, over time working to get 5 reps in all three."
Park applied the system to all of his training, whether he was working upper or lower bodyparts. Soon he was performing standing dumbbell presses with a pair of 110's, very respectable poundages for that era.
There was one American with whom Reg particularly enjoyed training and his name was Marvin Eder, whom he nicknamed 'The Bull'.
"I was also a young bull," Park would relate years afterwards, "and any time I walked into Abe Goldberg's New York gym, where Marvin trained, you could feel the vibrations. Whatever weights he handled I felt I had to do better. And of course he felt the same urge when I excelled. I recall that one time I was doing seated curls with a pair of 100 pound dumbbells, Marvin steadying me knees. And for his part Marvin would do dips with not one, but two grown men hanging from his waist . . . and pumping out reps that way."
It is well known that when Eder and Park trained in New York the two often used 450 pounds for bentover rows.
"As I was saying, I decided to forego high repetition training in favor of heavy poundages and lower reps and sets. I found I enjoyed this approach and it paid off.
"I trained 5 days each week, working the same bodyparts each session."
PARDON ME? What do ya figure he meant there? Whole body five times a week, as he had previously split them, morning and night for five days straight? Not that it matters much either way, seeing as each of us can only do so much and still see results. When in doubt, try it out. And don't forget to come back to it a later date if it worked well in the past.
"Suddenly I had the urge to be the first man in the world to bench press 500 pounds," he explained. Unfortunately, a Canadian gentleman named Doug Hepburn beat me to it. [Heh, burned by Doug]. But one month after his 500 I was giving an exhibition in Bristol and as usual I was putting on a bench press performance before my posing exhibition. I had done 480 and was ready to call it a day. The guys were replacing the barbell onto the racks when I changed my mind. 'Give me 500,' I said to everyone's amazement. As I started lowering the weight to my chest I found myself thinking, 'Well, if Doug could do it, then so can I.'
"And I pushed that weight right back up for a perfect 500 pound bench press."
Park weighed a little over 220 when he did this.
Food supplements were not as popular in 1950 as they are today, so Reg ate anything he fancied, including a dozen eggs and eight pints [one gallon] of milk daily.
"Many of you will be surprised to hear that to this day I still consume a pint of cream daily."
"Heavy training is, in a sense, negative training by virtue of the fact that you are forced to control the weight as you lower it. You do it automatically. For heavy bench presses you have to set yourself up, flex your deltoids, triceps and pectorals for the first phase of the exercise. You can't let the weight come down with your muscles relaxed. You must lower it in a negative training pattern."
He says that beginners should be careful, even wary of the training systems they try to follow. He states that there are precious few champions who know a great deal about anatomy, physiology or nutrition. They are champions in spite of their obvious ignorance. No matter what forms of training such men followed, they would quite possibly emerge champions, for they were born to be champions. It is in their genes.
"Had I known what I know now, had I learned half as much as I now know about myself and applied it in my early training, I would have gone very much further as a champion."
He contends that a knowledge of body mechanics, lengths and types of levers will eventually raise the standard of physique competition to heights now unimagined.
Asked if it was possible to change one's natural form, Reg said, "Yes, to some degree a man may change his body type with systematic training. [nothing extraordinary here, Hise et al showed this earlier repeatedly].
But then, Reg Park is certain that in the not too distant future we will look back on how each of us trained and wonder what could possibly have been going on in our heads.
Indeed.
Enjoy Your Lifting!








The mission continues . . . gladly!
ReplyDeleteFor those interested in the Reg Park 5x5 system, later picked up by Bill Starr, though Reg apparently eventually settled on the 5x5 comprising two warm-up sets and three constant-weight top sets, if you read some of his early 1950s articles, you'll find some variations. These include three warm-up sets followed by two top sets, and a squat pattern: 3x5 to one top set of full squats, followed by 1x5 of half squats, and then 1x5 of quarter squats, totaling 5x5.
ReplyDeleteThere is also a short routine of his showing 3x5 for the deadlift: two warm-ups and one top set. I did some Park-inspired 5x5-based workouts for some years, then moved to Dr. Ken Leistner's pattern of 1x5 1x3 1x1-2 incremental warm-up sets, followed by work sets of 1x5 and 1x3 using his 50 per cent method (rest 60 seconds after the all-out 1x5 top set, then attempt to get at least 50 per cent of the 1x5 reps with the second top set, which should be about 1x3).
I think Park's shorter routines are worth the attention of the average drug-free trainee, because they are based on basic exercises, and he was also a strength athlete setting records in the DB press. When a genetic superior publishes routines of 3-5 basic exercises, before the advent of Dianabol, there is probably some value there for us drugless people working hard on the basic stuff. I've got a bunch of Park routines collected into a loose-leaf notebook.
Great stuff. Just want to add
DeleteThe variations in 5x5 were early on in his training for power booklets
As far as his genetics go, I think it was more of his determination to be the best in the world that pushed him towards his strength goals which were important to him at the time
The original Mr. Five by Five was Jimmy Rushing. Hey, Eric, do you have scans of that loose-leaf material? It'd be sweet to get it all out there for others to learn from and experiment with. I agree wholeheartedly with your take on his not-precontest routines being excellent for the average lifter who doesn't pin. In his "Train for Power" layout he recommends only training the Reg(ular) deadlift once a week on a day all its own. SO MANY POSSIBLE VARIATIONS OF THE 5X5, ya gotta love it!
ReplyDeleteBut most definitely, in my mind the 5x5 can be adapted to ANY LIFTER'S abilities and it's on of the greatest basic plans ever. Just ask Jimmy Rushing and he'll tell ya that.
His genetics, which he made full use of and combined them with "determination to be the best in the world" were very integral to the results seen. Take a man with lesser genetics, a man with equal determination, dedication and time/energy put in with identical and even better grade nutrition and sleep/rest consistency and what will you see? Not a Reg Park . . . . nothing even close to that. It's a noble thought but that ain't reality, however much we'd like it to be. Never forget the importance of good genetics, and just how much difference they make. Sorry for tossing cold water on a hard dick, but that's the reality of it.
That has NOTHING to do with establishing our hoped-for goals and we'll never know until we try our best, never know what we can do with this thing called our musculature otherwise.
Thanks again for taking part, adding your views and experience and not just asking for more to take, and making this thing what it should be.
ReplyDeleteI wonder, seriously now, not Mr. Rushing here, when the idea came to be, where they first used it a lot, all of that about the 5x5. For every well known lifter or creator of damn near everything, there is a background of experimentation by others who have been forgotten and possibly, couldn't care less if they were ever known.
ReplyDeleteYeah! The looseleaf binders. Me too, for all sorts of lifting things, in storage now but still gots 'em here.
ReplyDeleteWow, that picture of Reg incline benching 315 is worth more than a 1,000 words! I have those Reg booklets as well and how he detailed his training routines was really eye opening. As with most weightlifting routines, people on the internet pushed his 5x5 routine with incorrect information.
ReplyDeleteThey said 5x5 for all sets with the same weight but what Reg did was ramp up the first two sets as warmups and then do 3x5 with your working weight. Reg also said the way to keep going longer on this system was when 3x5 got to be too difficult drop to 2x5 and then to 1x5 before finally reaching a plateau with your working weight.
In his books he also stated he used partial rep training. I wish I knew all this back when I was 21 training with this rep scheme because I would've made much better progress! Oh well, for me singles, isometrics, partials and progressive distance training up and down the rack is what works best for me.
I swear, this blog is like the holy grail for iron history and overall accurate training info. 99% of what is pushed on the masses everywhere else is B.S.!
First off, let me say I ain't sure sometimes if caffeine is a gift from God or a trap from the Devil.
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DeleteHey Jeff! For me too, ain't it a great photo. I prefer the actual lifting photos much more than the ones of guys standing around in their underwear looking serious.
Anyhow . . . you've seen and noticed that too, eh. The "old" routines and approaches get so messed up online. I used to tear out my hair about it; now I just shave my head every week and let it go. Water off a duck's and we has the feathers to do it. It's a better life for me without anger and hate, but it's hard not to fall into that hole sometimes.
Whine, whine from me here, eh. Oh, how I has suffered, hahaha.
The way his form of 5x5 is laid out is beautiful. Progressive, gradually increasing intensity of the poundages compensated for with less volume at the higher weight that comes if it goes right. Not just, "Duh, 5 sets of 5 and bust your ass till you're going backwards. Give me money."
Sure, I like to play around with some of the articles and add corny half-baked humor, but NOT WITH THE LAYOUTS AND PLANS. Those are as they were written and presented. I don't know, it'd be nice if people took a little time to study the actual stuff before dumping crap all over the place for a few pieces of silver. Oops, no hate, I gotta remember that here. A laugh works better in the long run maybe.
Good Lord, Jeff . . . I'm 100% on board with wishing I knew more or had access to more when I was a kid and a young man. I had no idea partials, singles, progressive triples to fives, training with lower intensity (poundage intensity) for higher volume, slow-cooking Hepburn-type stuff . . . no idea any of it even existed. I'm surprised I didn't destroy my metabolic system, adrenal glands, joints, tendons and the lot of it back then, and it was because of ignorance of what was already experimented with and discovered long before our time . . . by real life people from the past who cut the trail and made it easier for the next lot to figure out the gradual path forward.
I figure they deserve at least the respect of studying what they learned. . and not just flapping those internet gums while posing as someone who knows what they putting out there.
We're on the same page here, Jeff, no pun intended, and it's good to know. If you ever feel like getting to know each other better and how life's been going, feel free to email me any time.
You know, some folks don't have the funds to purchase a lot of the material that would be very useful to them in their lifting. That should never be a barrier to learning in any field, the way I figure things. I've found that the authors of some of this stuff that are still living don't care in the least about copyright or "owning" their work. The other types? Ah well, you know how it goes on Earth for now. "I need a new pool out back, a nice holiday to some sunny clime and better food for my dogs." Never enough stuff, a name never know by enough people, the lot of that nonsense. It's ALL stuff taken from the original guys and the ones that set the scene for what THEY learned, and there is no beginning, it all has roots deep in this thing's history. You don't OWN it, and you lessen yourself by presenting the material as if you do . . just my view is all, no hate, no anger, just my view.
You know, Buddy . . . the whole ego routine. A bit of a dead end maybe . . . but what do I care. We're happy at times and sad at others, we have been given the ability for now to experience it all, we can still lift as best we can and all that whoring, moneygrubbing nonsense does not represent the human race at all. We're more than that, the best is aching to come out and will over time; there's no way for me to live a day now and not off myself without belief and faith in that, 'cause this ain't IT yet.
Honestly, this thing has pulled me out of hell many a time, and I hope it's helped others do the same.
Always a pleasure in my day to hear from you, Friend.
I'm just guessing here, but it looks like more years alive equals more edits when writing.
DeleteSheesh, Hey and Wow, feets don't fail me now.
That was amazing commentary you just posted and I wholeheartedly agree! What you've done here with this blog is a gift that keeps on giving. As I've said many times before, reading this blog has truly changed my life.
DeleteI was somewhat hesitant to talk about this but it needs to be said especially when people are blatantly being misled about weight training so I wanted to now briefly address a criticism of John Wood. I get emailed newsletters from him on a daily basis and most of it good but one detail has annoyed me.
John frequently talks about how Bob Peoples built his deadlift without using straps. What's even more peculiar is that he sells copies of Bob's book on his website. The reason I mention all of this is that Bob dedicated a significant portion of his book talking about how he used lifting hooks for deadlifting. Bob felt that even regular straps demanded too much of your grip strength and the hooks completely removed that thereby allowing you to greatly overload your body on all pulling movements without worrying about grip fatigue.
Even more astounding is that from reading so much about Doug Hepburn and Paul Anderson, I discovered that they made extensive use of these lifting hooks and lifted tremendous weights in deadlifts and high pulls. I actually own Bob Peoples' book and have read it several times so much so that in fact I know most of it by heart. Funny thing is that Bob Simpson did the photography for that book and they talk about him a little bit! Two of the best Bobs that ever lived in my opinion!
Anyways, I just had to put that out there and would love to know your thoughts on this matter.
And I'm guessing . . . the thoughts of other readers here too. Thanks again for your input, Jeff.
DeleteBob Peoples, and the use of hooks (not straps) is the topic here. Feel free to join in if you like, and maybe even add your own thoughts of what you've found out via using straps and/or hooks for pulling.
Hey, did that book include the section where he relates packing it all in one day and heaving his equipment into a culvert? Later, of course, going back to get it and bring it home?
Bob Simpson photos from the book here: https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2022/11/my-talk-with-bob-simpson-jeff.html
I don't want emails from any of those people anymore and unsubscribed quite a while ago. I wish them well in what they choose to do, but it's a bit of a closed circle and I never got any form of reply from any of them when I used to reach out years ago once this deal got rolling a little. I musta forgot to put a dollar in the envelope. There was one fellow, no big thing, who went so far as to go to a notable deceased lifting author's gravesite once he got a tombstone put on it, and then toss his own books on the burial plot. That said a lot to me, but hey, to each his own and I wish all men the best with their life choices when we meet the Maker. Aside from that, these guys take lifting WAY too fucking "seriously" for my liking.
DeleteSTOP THE PRESSES!
DeleteBREAKING NEWS . . .
HUMAN LIFTS BAR WITH LARGE AMOUNT OF WEIGHT ON IT!
If my last name was Wood, why, I'd change the first one from Dale to Dick. It would open doors for me, I'd break male-kegel training records, pole vault with the best of 'em, bust into bank vaults and grab all the cash, "cash grab" you might call it, then die and be forgotten as we all will be eventually. Go Get 'em, Tigers and remember the Titans.
DeleteENOUGH! THE TOPIC IS STRAPS AND/OR HOOKS. There's no question Mr. Peoples used them, as did Doug Hepburn and Paul Anderson. How have they helped or hindered you in your pulls?
DeleteAnd . . . over time I'm getting better at being a self-righteous prick, that's for sure.
DeleteYeah, I had the same response from John Wood when I emailed him about this topic and he never replied. As for the book mentioning him throwing out his equipment and then lugging it back up the hill into his dungeon again, it's conveniently left out. Probably because they thought in some way it would diminish his character or the public's perception of him. Here's that story mentioned for reference:https://ditillo2.blogspot.com/2009/01/bob-peoples-i-knew-bob-hise-ii.html
ReplyDeleteI can't understand why they didn't include that because it made me like him even more and I can relate to that. I've never thrown away my equipment but there have been times I wanted to quit either due to frustrating plateaus or really bad back injuries. Fortunately, time and again I've come back to this blog to get my mind back on track and have always persevered.
I tried using hooks one time but I couldn't figure out how to make them work so later on I bought figure 8 straps and they work amazingly well in the same manner that I imagine hooks do by relieving my hands of any grip fatigue. They really tear up the skin on the wrists and inner lower palms underneath the thumbs though so I wear cut up socks while using them to reduce the friction on my hands as well as apply lotion on them every night to help prevent them from getting dried out.
I've developed great lockout strength with the figure 8 straps and now thanks to the trap bar I have lifted weights I could only dream about previously at lower heights. I can now consistently deadlift 510 from 8 inches off the floor where the straight bar would be with regular 45s and I can get 600 four inches above that which would be below the knees if I used a straight bar. So I'd have to say the straps have changed my life for the better and my back has never been bigger or stronger as it is now with the trap bar deadlifts. I'd love to read your experiences with straps and trap bar Dale. Don't know if anyone else will join in this conversation with us but I love discussing all weightlifting things with you!
Hey Jeff! I never got used to using a trap bar, it never felt quite right for me. But that could change if my back won't let me do it any other way later on in life. I have two, one done up by a welder and one walk-in one that was cheap. Trap bar lifting could come in real handy later so I wanna hang onto them if I can. When I could still regular deadlift enough that my grip was iffy, I loved using straps! I had a pair of hand-mades, DIY ones from a real good man who pulled over 700 in training and just shy of that officially back in the mid-70's here. No drugs ever, in shorts and a T-shirt. And a couple pairs of pairs cheap ones you get at like a Canadian Tire or Walmart. They're awesome to use in my world, make it so much easier to focus on not screwing up form because the bar's slipping away from your hands. I haven't lifted much of anything poundage-wise, nothing to write home about really. It's all relative I guess. Straps for a 450 deadlifter would help just as much as for a 750 deadlifter.
DeleteMan, I spent a good half hour looking around for the Bob Peoples book here to find that stuff about tossing his gear and going back for it later. Duh. Thanks for the link!
Kinda tired now. Hooks gave me an uncontrollable urge to wear an eyepatch and go to sea.
Okay, okay, I'll stop for today.
Damnit. I can't help it. What bullshit! Leave that part out of the book? It makes him less because he got frustrated and tossed in the towel? Garbage! It makes him MORE. You know the line, it's not how many times you fall down, it's how many times you get back up. More power to him for it! I think it's inspiring, and it reminds us he was not superhuman and went through the same things guys who deadlift a fraction of what he did have to go through. What a dumb thing to do when putting together a book on the guy. No respect at all. I l want "warts and all" in bios I read, for sure. It's supposed to be about a guy's life, not some cherry-picked nonsense. Warts and all, please and thank you.
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S is for sleep.
C is for counting and
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mean goodnight.
I think I'm awake now, but who knows.
DeleteI just burned my hand taking the chicken out of the oven and can't wake up from this dream no matter the pain.
DeleteWhere's my Juanitas! Waaaaa sob sob sob and all the grievy gravy lacking wavy Lumpy-nesses of love come and gone that arrive with the Dead Not-Poets Wives' Club maybe missing the surfy sufi ride right now. Waves rescinding, web of life disconnect-now oh no's, goofs going ga-ga with woids, noises hitting noives. Gone UNDER, the lovely Juanita twins, gone up, maybe down, maybe still all around, perhaps bug meals on sale there. Compost catpiss hit-and-miss trailer park kitty litter overlow.
DeleteWTF do I know, I can't tell if this is real life or just a fantasy, Freddie. No matter. Throughout, raise a little hell, we're here for a good and decent-to-one-another time, a fine Timex-style slice of it, not a long and grinding tiresome not-IT for the money-making crave-more More MORE crowd, duh . . . and come to think of it, who do we think we are, General Hand Grenade, 3's dressed up as NINES and thick as thieves waiting to pass through the pearly gates with flying colors! Or some damn thing that's quick and witty like that, eh. Nein! Nein! Nein! To be or not to be, to remain in the sane or join the insane, in and out, in and out, one of us, one of us. Scwhing!
Sign up for our Inner Circle membership and gain entry to the Mumble-ship Kohoutek arriving soon. Free decoder ring not included, you're on your own deciphering this shite, Pardner, Duke, Eastwood not unforgiven and maybe Josey Wales, ya feckin' outlaw.
Pffff and shush, not real schtuff, auto-write history in yer mind, Sailor, and hit the seven seas before them seven seals bouncing beachballs arrive riding the four horsemen of the dick-and-ball dismantling tribe and blow wind blow, blow us all away.
OH NO! MY PROBOSCUS IS MISSING.
It's great to be straight and not be smokin' weed over here. That stuff is just too tiresome, takes too much bother to ignite and my brain refuses to boil while on it. A fent-folder was passed out, surgery levels, on the bus bench with his pants half off. The revealed undies were surprisingly clean (!) and I waited there for a good half hour, a.k.a. a bad hour for him to come to so's I could ask him where he purchased such fine haberdashery. "My good Man, whence came these tightie whities?" Alas and lo, no reply. The stage was set, curtain up, Reg Park looked tres-magnifique and manly for a man in only shorts; meat pile musclemen beware the famine and the transition to meat-pie coming. A pox on your lips, oh voice of the apocalypse. Come back later! I have more important goalz, things to do while losing my Soul, gainz to make and people screwed to leave behind, don't-cha know.
OH NO (number two not poo)! Sets and reps, sets and reps, one of us, one of us.
'Night to the no one reading this! My Name is Nobody and this message is approved by the Bob Odenkirk for President Fan Club.
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DeleteFer fecksake is dinner bleedin' ready yet!
"MORE NINES" stacked line-to-line up there dedicated to Jan D.
DeleteI think I read in one or two articles that Bob's wife Juanita reported that he threw all his weights into a ravine, then the next day or soon after hauled them all back out again, and that this happened more than once. This blog post encapsulates much Peoples material, but misses out that he did manage a 300 lb bench press:
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I refer to that blog page often to be inspired by Peoples' DB pressing, high-rep deadlifting, and short, compact training routines with usually one top set per exercise. One thing that page points out is that Peoples took 20 years of training to get to the world record deadlift. Yes he had forced layoffs and lost 6 months due to a major kidney operation, but it took quite a few years to get to those huge deadlifts. If I'm accurate here, his record stood from 1949 to 1973, so 15 years of that spanned the known definite drug era. So apparently for 15 years even drug-fed behemoths couldn't match Peoples, until Terry Todd's lift in 1973.
The above makes me think of YouTube vids showing a 20 year old slender college guy wearing a little powder-blue or pink baseball cap sideways or backwards, jerk-hitching 600 on a trap bar deadlift, then dropping the weight to the floor and not needing a wheelchair or stretcher afterward. Likewise there's a certain Facebook page where periodically one or two guys will post that he hasn't deadlifted in a year, and hasn't touched a trap bar at all in that time, but today decided to see how it felt, so here's 660x5. So one guy can train 2-3 years and get 600, and the other guy can layoff for one year, then walk up to his trap bar and do 660x5. When I see that stuff, I remember the time it took Peoples to lift record weights, and I question the weights used in the vids, and the drug status of the poster/claimant.
I've been planning to get the Peoples book.
Also a Stark Center article:
https://starkcenter.org/igh_article/igh0204c/
There's also a big article series of maybe six parts here:
https://elizabethton.com/2015/06/25/mr-deadlift-peoples-set-records-invented-weightlifting-equipment/
On the Affecting Gravity blog here's a link to another great page about overhead strength of the oldtime guys:
https://affectinggravity.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-seven-lift-total-continental.html
It includes some DB pressing and continental and strict pressing.
Hello to Eric the Not Idle Python Monty, never wanting to be an idol to anyone. Mr. Peoples was one helluva heck-and-damn person and lifter, who, I'm willing to bet a hundred bucks and a train ride to hell with anyone on, had "coaching" from wife Juanita. Of course! Behind every great man . . . always in reality is ALONG WITH every great man. Let's give that woman and all mothers their due and I don't mean Union (dues then do nothing) or Socialist poseurs out to rape and pillage what's left of Nation's common man's finances.
DeleteReading too much J.C. Hise lately maybe and it's affecting my writing style, eh, but hey, that's en ter taaaaaynment in the word-world.
Nice historical timeline there at that affecting gravity deal! And the human behind it (no A.I. no never thank you kindly) even referenced this deal here. You get your Saint Jamie Lewis and few others who bother to do that (I wish Angel Dave Yarnell my best and hope God allows light to shine brightly within him), but hey, that don't matter at all to this one fellow.
AFFECTING GRAVITY! Let's all get lost, not Chet Baker style (unless ya gotta go that way to get through the night), at that site 'cause I know I plan to and look forward to it immensely.
Stark Center and the Todds are places and people I shudder and cringe to have any part of, including their wee copy-and-paste-poorly feller who works for that uni lot in Texas. Not one toenail goes in that swimmin' hole for fear of losin' a leg up to the knee. You don't wanna know why and I can't afford the layers of lawyers it'd take if I tolds ya the reason. I gotta get that stuff off of here sometime. Suffice to say you really don't wanna know and are better off not knowing. End of that.
Friend Eric, I don't question the drug deal any more at all. It's so obvious now, not the older era "I wonder" stuff but the last while. And the trap bar bullshido masters can suck my ducks, all in a row please. Trap bar. What a lump of shite. They got these babies with high handles so it's a partial deadlift with a parallel grip. Big Deal, right? The same bozos piss and moan about ego lifters and partial movements, oddly enough. Sure, it's a useful tool but that ain't a deadlift. It's all this cellphone toilet fill and nothing more.
"Check my form on this trap bar deadlift!" And then it's this unintentional round-back crap and the rest of it. We really need to make more names for these lifts 'cause that ain't a deadlift and every hardworking man or woman who spilled out their energies passionately to get those records with a real regular deadlift without straps or a bendy bar busted their arses to near-colon popping degrees, hernia creation and spinal compression to make those records which brings us to your point
that it took TWENTY YEARS OF CONSISTENT WORK and PLENTY OF DOUBTS, backfires, near-broken dreams and the whole lot of it for Mr. Peoples to achieve what he did. I doubt he wore a jock, but REALLY NOW, some of these yahoos haven't earned to right to even smell much less carry Peoples'.
He ranted on his wee soapbox as it approached collapse in the almost set sun of his life.
Sheesh, what a boob.
THANK YOU for posting that info-filled comment and putting up with me for so long, My Friend.
One-a these days before I pass away I'm gonna stop watering this stuff down
Deleteand say what I feel about some things honestly sans filters.
Owing to recent interest here in the Peoples' book (not to be confused with "The People's Book), I dug around this morning in what's left of my lifting literature (not to be confused with "Lifting & Literature, Joe G) but came up empty handed, no fish on my hook, not a bite) here at mission control central (at this rate, PLEASE beam me up and away, ya dam Scootsman) a.k.a. The TTSDB Research Center).
DeleteI'd really like to get that book Mac-Digitalized some day so people can educate themselves with it for free pirate-style, arrrr, no matter their income and other real world financial obligations chosen.
If I had my copy or maybe two I once had why, I'd send it to you for Christmas in September. Bring back them four full on-wheels bins of matérielle I tossed in frustration back a while ago. We lose almost all hope sometimes and do dumb things, hopefully understood if and when judgement is meted out.
Shut it already!
Pride before the fall and all this gum-flappin' is going to have consequences one day, no doubt in what little's left of my mind, J.C. Settle and simmer over there, your huge deadlifts after body-breaking train hauls are still remembered. In the deadlift kingdom, your feats may be forgotten and "unofficial" but we realize some wee scintilla-fraction of what it took to make 'em here too. Sleep in peace genius and guinea pig extraordinaire and so shall I tonight knowing that.
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